tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post8994930592788859870..comments2024-03-23T12:05:23.537-05:00Comments on The Wild Reed: Chris McGillion Responds to the “Exacerbating” Actions of Cardinal PellMichael J. Baylyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-33035747845743244082007-06-14T13:00:00.000-05:002007-06-14T13:00:00.000-05:00For some reason I'm thinking Fr. Allison is an ind...For some reason I'm thinking Fr. Allison is an independent Catholic priest...although, I'm not totally sure what that means...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-37518461085602406262007-06-14T10:47:00.000-05:002007-06-14T10:47:00.000-05:00Michael,I suspect you'll want to have a look at th...Michael,<BR/><BR/>I suspect you'll want to have a look at the <A HREF="http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/print_format.php?id_article=1957" REL="nofollow">Commonweal Article</A>.<BR/><BR/>Not much mention of Fr. Alison and the Cybelism interpretation. Does it not have much credibility? I think Fr. Alison is rather inspired in that article really. So it goes. BTW, is he still a priest in good standing?<BR/><BR/>All the Best, +BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-33801689571360187742007-06-13T17:52:00.000-05:002007-06-13T17:52:00.000-05:00As a lot, educators tend/trend to the more liberal...As a lot, educators tend/trend to the more liberal side.<BR/><BR/>If the principals are lay persons, and not clergy, I think it's wrong to require such an oath of them.<BR/><BR/>If the church finds it a requirement, let them place priests and deacons as principals.<BR/><BR/>Laypersons can be committed catholics even while disagreeing with the church. I'm more concerned that my child's principal is well versed in child development, staff development and administrative practice, then I am about his Catholic orthodoxy. I'd rely on a priest for that.<BR/><BR/>But that's just me. While I have very liberal and unorthodox beliefs, I do belief in teaching the traditions, and allowing people to grapple with their own relationship with God as an adult. Lay the foundation, and as they get older and begin to use the reason God gave them, they can begin to question things.<BR/><BR/>I don't have a problem with the church running the shop as they see fit. I do have a problem with the church using tradition and infalliability as a ball and chain reason to not change on things which they really should change on, such as homosexuality, women's ordination, etc.<BR/><BR/>If all the adults in church authority seem to be in agreement about such non-core issues, and present a united, authoritarian front, can we really be surprised when Catholics continue to believe they have no right to question such teachings.<BR/><BR/>Just a few thoughts...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-19871429681024866022007-06-12T14:54:00.000-05:002007-06-12T14:54:00.000-05:00Hi Michael,Of course it will emphasize all of the ...Hi Michael,<BR/><BR/>Of course it will emphasize all of the conservative issues of the day. That's OK. How on earth could you send a gay kid to catholic school and not plan on supporting him or her through all of the issues.<BR/><BR/>I would say proper dissent includes planning on teaching one's children that the church is sometimes wrong. That does not in any way require that we demand the church refrain from teaching her beliefs. I'll teach my beliefs, the church will teach her beliefs. It's all fine with me. It has nothing to do with changing the doctrine, which will have to occur by a completely different mechanism than say, dissenter school principals. I would contend that dissenter school principals are probably not a very good mechanism for the support of loyal & faithful dissent.<BR/><BR/>Besides, if I had a gay kid I really wouldn't want to leave him in a catholic school, unless it was one of the single gender ones that are probably secretly reasonably gay. I'd send my kid to Simon's Rock (early college of Bard) or otherwise spring my kid from the whole highschool scene.<BR/><BR/>All the Best, +BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-351533402044419852007-06-12T10:05:00.000-05:002007-06-12T10:05:00.000-05:00Hi Winnipeg Catholic,Thanks for your comment.The p...Hi Winnipeg Catholic,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment.<BR/><BR/>The problem with Pell’s “Oath of Fidelity” is that it may well require those working in Catholic schools to publicly commit to non-core Catholic teachings on such issues as homosexuality or women’s ordination.<BR/><BR/>As McGillion points out, these are teachings that “many Catholics conscientiously reject and which even many bishops concede need further exploration and finessing.”<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael J. Baylyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-82965206820770986312007-06-12T08:06:00.000-05:002007-06-12T08:06:00.000-05:00Very interesting. I was horrified by your quote o...Very interesting. I was horrified by your quote of Pell that the Doctrine of Primacy of Conscience should be done away with. I'm less sure about an oath of obedienc by catholic employees such as principals. That doesn't sounds so bad on the surface of it, depending on the oath.<BR/><BR/>My impression is that even secular school teachers are held to ethical codes of conduct and can be fired for being swingers or otherwise engaging in behavior that the public finds scandalous.<BR/><BR/>Do I agree with that? Yes. Why? Not because I have anything against non-catholic swingers. (I do have a problem with catholic swingers). But I do support such rules because I feel the public has a right to isolate their children away from people whose behavior they find scandalous. That's part of the your-children-are-safe here glue that holds a place for the young together.<BR/><BR/>So for catholics, it makes some sense to me that we would have such codes and oaths for catholic schools and that we would terminate employees who cause scandal as seen through a catholic lense. That includes public expressions of dissent for catholic educators.<BR/><BR/>Sound harsh? It doesn't to me. As a conservative I would be annoyed if my kid heard dissent from a school authority. As a liberal dissenter, I figure I can prep my kid with all the dissent he needs to know that the church has a few things it hasn't figured out yet regarding homosexuality, masturbation, contraception, and how abuse of alcohol is more dangerous and spiritual harming than much of sexuality.<BR/><BR/>So in my mind, we liberals need to learn to relax and let the institution express itself without getting in a big tizzy and fussing so much. All that energy needs to be in writing to the bishops and cardinals so that they cannot ignore the sense fidelis and quietly expressed to our loved ones, and publicly expressed by dissenters who aren't paid to educate the young in the name of the faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com