tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post999783465401994937..comments2024-03-23T12:05:23.537-05:00Comments on The Wild Reed: New Studies: Gay Couples as Committed as Straight CouplesMichael J. Baylyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-13562961928618825162008-01-25T23:02:00.000-06:002008-01-25T23:02:00.000-06:00Just a minute. Generalizing from particulars is "...Just a minute. Generalizing from particulars is "widely acknowledged to be unsound and invalid"? It is acknowledged to produce only provisionally true generalities, but that doesn't mean inductive reasoning doesn't produce some reliable knowledge.<BR/><BR/>We would probably agree that it is not valid to generalize too broadly. Haven't you generalized negatively about statistical studies, Gay Species?<BR/><BR/>You also talk about "psychological theory." Isn't this study more sociological than it is psychological? It is about people reporting to be "happy" and "committed." I don't know how they measured those states of mind. Presumably there would be a way to quantify conflict situations and people's willingness to cope with them, but I'm not up on that. You make the point that social science isn't "hard" science. No, it isn't, but that doesn't make it useless.<BR/><BR/>I hear you cautioning us not to be too hopeful, but you can't deny us a little hope, can you? Even that pollsters are asking questions that reveal positive comparisons and that they are able to publish them is a step in the right direction in validating people's experience, isn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-71728149427108584802008-01-24T17:30:00.000-06:002008-01-24T17:30:00.000-06:00I have explained on my blog numerous times, most r...I have explained on my blog numerous times, most recently:<BR/><BR/><A>http://gayspecies.blogspot.com/2008/01/mental-voodoo-same-sex-psychological.html</A><BR/><BR/>Psychology is a pseudo-science. It's "methods" are either entirely speculative metaphysics, or the use of induction, which generalizes from the particular, and is widely acknowledged to be unsound and invalid.<BR/><BR/>The "studies" are at best an opinion poll, with all the attendant biases the question itself, much less the respondent, even worse the interpreter, collates by statistical means. Statistics merely gives standard norms on a bell curve, which merely measures the distribution of answers. Many have used the Bell Curve (e.g., Charles Murray) to insists blacks are intellectually inferior to whites, psychologists once used it to pathologize homophilia.<BR/><BR/>The same questions posed in the polls today would have had, and indeed DID HAVE, different replies forty years ago, "validating" psychology's claims that homophiles were immensely unhappy individuals, justifying their reparative therapeutics.<BR/><BR/>Without any doubt, no single psychological theory is testable, therefore incapable of being falsified, and thus never capable of being verified. You and your readers are welcome to enter "psychology" or "ex-gay" or "therapeutic" on my blog's site, which will pull up many examples of the hoax.<BR/><BR/>Never forget that reparative therapy to cure homosexuals was invented by psychology and used by them even after Hawaii, 1973. Richard Rothstein was pronounced "cured" by his therapist, whereupon he set off to commit suicide in Amsterdam, where by the grace of someone, he saw androphiles enjoying life. Ask him when his "cure" was effected!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-51592833548639407762008-01-23T21:56:00.000-06:002008-01-23T21:56:00.000-06:00With all respects, Gay Species (and I do have a lo...With all respects, Gay Species (and I <EM>do</EM> have a lot of respect for you!), you sound like a rabid anti-gay right winger!<BR/><BR/>If you’re going to declare these studies invalid, my friend, then at least expand on that contention and share your reasons why.<BR/><BR/>Specifically, why are these “reports” false, and how are they going to harm people? What previous “false reports” led to the deaths of “hundreds of thousands”?<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael J. Baylyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-3496175962168621302008-01-23T21:01:00.000-06:002008-01-23T21:01:00.000-06:00It's a hoax and crap. Neither the subject nor the ...It's a hoax and crap. Neither the subject nor the methods are valid or sound. We relay these false reports at our own expense. Hundreds of thousands died because of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-43551821843747501252008-01-23T18:46:00.000-06:002008-01-23T18:46:00.000-06:00This is as wonderful as it is incredible. Despite...This is as wonderful as it is incredible. Despite enormous pressures to the contrary, gay couples are doing as well as straight couples in maintaining their relationships, this despite the fact that the latter receive significant legal, religious and social support for their unions. <BR/><BR/>Let's see how much the mainstream media reports this little tidbit.kevin57https://www.blogger.com/profile/01681985465980196347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-41450874517680593452008-01-23T13:53:00.000-06:002008-01-23T13:53:00.000-06:00Michael, sometimes it takes the validation of some...Michael, sometimes it takes the validation of something like this by a neutral third party, like the US Census, to really put things into perspectives for a lot of people. I'm sure data in 2010 will bear out what we gay people have always known about the stability of many committed gay and lesbian couples. I, for one, cannot wait to see those results.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com