tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post4619354093652626695..comments2024-03-23T12:05:23.537-05:00Comments on The Wild Reed: A Catholic “Crisis and Opportunity” in South MinneapolisMichael J. Baylyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-41382401979188078742009-02-17T21:41:00.000-06:002009-02-17T21:41:00.000-06:00Hi.Hi.Terry Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09819523933502820341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-54074368289805577252009-02-16T08:25:00.000-06:002009-02-16T08:25:00.000-06:00Does the Spirit of St. Stephen's really see itself...Does the Spirit of St. Stephen's really see itself as a reform movement?<BR/><BR/>I can't recall a reform movement <EM>within the Church</EM> that was marked by greater permissiveness and the rejection of authority. Invoking Saint Francis of Assisi as a model for this kind of activity seems a real stretch. His response to the corruption in the Church of his day was a spirit of self-emptying and obedience. The only privilege he asked for was the privilege of poverty.CDEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01442791960391683444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-41648805183842495072009-02-15T21:37:00.000-06:002009-02-15T21:37:00.000-06:00Exactly how "distinct" eucharistic celebrations we...Exactly how "distinct" eucharistic celebrations were at St. Stephens compared to the GIRM I don't know; however, I have stated and continue to believe that two extremes need to be avoided. On the one hand, the danger of congregationalism; on the other, the danger of uniformity. The greatness of the Catholic Church is that it broadens individual and localized blindness, but it should also be "wise" enough to tolerate some deviations from the norm. What has struck me in this case is that it appears that the Archbishop never attempted to dialogue with the local community, to challenge but also to listen. <BR/><BR/>In general, that is what is lacking in much of the hierarchy these days. A critical example: in my high school theology classes most students are not "pro choice." They do not think abortion is a good choice. But a clear majority, especially of the girls, assert the right of a woman to abort because they sense Church leadership is not listening. Does not really care about their concerns, anxieties, and troubles. <BR/><BR/>I do digress. Any historical survey of liturgical practice will show that there has always been a tension between general norms, so to say, and local practice. This can and should be a healthy tension. It should not be feared, or certainly wiped out. <BR/><BR/>I ask those who get so incensed by "abuses" at the "old" St. Stephens whether or not they also become incensed by EWTN's Masses, which also clearly violate the GIRM. <BR/><BR/>Let's all play fair.kevin57https://www.blogger.com/profile/01681985465980196347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-86716590366156538912009-02-15T21:29:00.000-06:002009-02-15T21:29:00.000-06:00Hi Denis,It seems you would have us believe that y...Hi Denis,<BR/><BR/>It seems you would have us believe that you know a lot about what went on at St. Stephen's - to the extent that you even know who "sagewoman" and her "co-conspirators" are. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps it's time to come clean about who <EM>you</EM> are and your past/present connection to the parish. <BR/><BR/>After all, you yourself cite Jesus' challenge to "to do what you do in the light of day."<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/><BR/>MichaelMichael J. Baylyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-50716665160443749102009-02-15T21:18:00.000-06:002009-02-15T21:18:00.000-06:00"sagewoman" says:"Unquestionably its liturgies “cr..."sagewoman" says:<BR/><BR/>"Unquestionably its liturgies “crossed the line” of liturgical rules; unquestionably, those liturgies grew out of forty years of community prayer and seeking God’s will. Unquestionably, Archbishops Roach and Flynn knew exactly how liturgies were performed at St. Stephen’s, and apparently weren’t sufficiently worried about our souls or our creating scandal to do anything about it."<BR/><BR/>If that isn't enough to make you puke. One of the very people who was instrumental in creating the mess that was Saint Stephen's states clearly that they knew they "crossed" the line.<BR/><BR/>She then arrogantly claims to know what Archbishops Flynn and Roach did or did not know. The facts are that she and her co-conspirators (including the ordained who were supposed to serve them) actively kept their Archbishops in the dark claiming to 'fly under the radar.'<BR/><BR/>What exactly did they expect?<BR/><BR/>Christ himself said to do what you do in the light of day- but this was not the mode of operation for Saint Stephen's. Whatever one thought of their liturgies they cannot claim integrity about how they evolved.<BR/><BR/>When, under the leadership of Archbishop Flynn, the parish was told to conform to the General Instruction- the parish leadership refused to participate in dialogue. They threw a tantrum and screamed 'oppression.'<BR/><BR/>Then when the changes happened without their voices they screamed to anyone who would listen that the church wasn't listening.<BR/><BR/>And as regards to their status now-calling a community 'catholic' does not make it so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com