tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post4767758405453239684..comments2024-03-23T12:05:23.537-05:00Comments on The Wild Reed: Celebrating and Embodying Divine HospitalityMichael J. Baylyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-35319345007631549072008-07-01T18:47:00.000-05:002008-07-01T18:47:00.000-05:00Have the California Bishops' Conference made their...Have the California Bishops' Conference made their recommendation on the November initiative to reverse inclusive marriage in California? Will they join the other Hebraist institutions requiring marriage be between opposite sex only? Will they excommunicate the Gov and Maria for supporting inclusive marriage?<BR/><BR/>The days when California's bishops could repudiate Proposition 6 are very different days today. Then, justice, equality, benevolence were the Church's core teaching. Todays it is SEX, SEX, SEX and reproduction given over to the Keys to the Kingdom. I bet half the bishops don't recall <I>Gaudium et spes</I> any longer, assuming they ever did. They did away of Hunthausen, Weakland, Quinn, and anyone who did not lockstep with the Pope. So much for "collegiality."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-27519751639862411622008-06-01T11:49:00.000-05:002008-06-01T11:49:00.000-05:00"What is "intrinsically disordered" for Catholics ..."What is "intrinsically disordered" for Catholics is sex outside of marriage, whether by heterosexuals or by homosexuals."<BR/><BR/>So it's not a mortal sin, then.<BR/><BR/>As long as one has permission of the civil authorities?<BR/><BR/>Marriage is legal for gays in quite a few jurisdictions.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277613176895587358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-84580100204946244592008-05-30T13:04:00.000-05:002008-05-30T13:04:00.000-05:00Ray,I'm a heterosexual woman, one of many heterose...Ray,<BR/><BR/>I'm a heterosexual woman, one of many heterosexual men and women, who wore a rainbow sash on Pentecost at the Cathedral.<BR/><BR/>I was there because I think it is a crippling failure of love to call homosexual sex <EM>per se</EM> "intrinsically disordered." I think it is the same kind of blindness to human value that the scribes and the Pharisees had in Jesus' time. It makes me ashamed and grieved that the Catholic Church does not reassess its moral teaching on homosexuality as well as its attitudes toward women. Both cause a lot of spiritual suffering. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps you do not experience the pain of being discounted. I'm thankful that you don't. But could you try to imagine yourself in the shoes of those who do feel that pain and try to empathize with us a little?<BR/><BR/>It is perhaps understandable that hierarchy, the people who have power to change policy, do not feel the spiritual pain of being denied sexual expression. They have freely chosen celibacy as a way of life that has given them all the satisfactions of success in the institution and in their ministries<BR/><BR/>It is quite different to have normal loving sexual expression interdicted under pain of mortal sin. It doesn't fit with Gospel values, does it? We want the hierarchy to think about this. That is why we are present and visible. Do you still think it is boasting about mortal sin?<BR/><BR/>PaulaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-87352643559016604592008-05-26T18:16:00.000-05:002008-05-26T18:16:00.000-05:00Michael:What is there about the obsessive narcissi...Michael:<BR/><BR/>What is there about the obsessive narcissism of homosexuals that compels them to wear rainbow sashes and boast about their mortal sins and their refusal to change?<BR/><BR/>I was there. Let's say that there were 500 people at that noon Mass at the Cathedral. You can be certain that there were far more people present who were using contraceptives, far more who were engaging in extra-marital sex, and far more drunks and drug takers/abusers. <BR/><BR/>These activities are every bit mortal sins as engaging in homosexual activities. And when asked, they could give many reasons for why they can not stop engaging in those behaviors.<BR/><BR/>But they are not driven to wearing sashes and demanding that the Church remove their sins from the list of forbidden practices.<BR/><BR/>You know as well as anybody that if those 50 homosexuals had removed their sashes and walked up to receive Holy Communion, not one word would have been said. If they had kept their sashes on and remained in their pews, not one word would have been said.<BR/><BR/>The word hypocrites comes to mind.<BR/><BR/>The Church has clearly stated that wearing a sash while receiving a sacrament is forbidden. "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08332138030182107580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27612445.post-61776549979600552642008-05-25T22:46:00.000-05:002008-05-25T22:46:00.000-05:00I wish that I could be so hopeful. As it is, sadly...I wish that I could be so hopeful. As it is, sadly, I'm shopping.<BR/><BR/>Pax et bonum.Tchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13388784325608457371noreply@blogger.com